[Dysphagia] Textbooks

[browna1 at pccchealth.org (Brown, Audrey)]

Hello to all who have been involved in the textbook question.  If I may add
my 2 cents worth...

I tend to agree that textbooks, especially in dysphagia, are of limited use.
For something that is so "hands-on", and relies so heavily on observation,
practice, mentorship, as well as current research evidence, a text may be
most useful for occasional reference only.  Speaking as someone who
graduated in '97, our text (Groher) was recommended but not required.  The
Logemann text was also recommended as a reference source.  I found that the
handouts provided by our professor (which included references to journal
articles), and brief descriptions of various point-form how-to's (how to
write a report, how and why to provide instruction on a compensatory
strategy, what to look for in a clinical bedside assessment) were far more
practical.  My copy of this package is still dog-eared and well worn.  

Just my opinion - open to others.  As an instructor in another type of
course, I find that students resent the cost of textbooks.  As a
not-so-long-ago student, I recall resenting professors for assigning texts,
and then proceeding to read directly from them.  My personal preference for
today's students is to learn how to critically evaluate journal articles,
then get the opportunity to apply what has been learned to case study after
case study after case study.  

Audrey Brown, M.Sc., SLP
Speech-Language Pathologist, Reg. CASLPO
Kingston, Ontario, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY W. BAGGS [mailto:TBAGGS at astate.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:57 AM
To: Edgar, Sheri L; Irene Campbell-Taylor; dysphagia at b9.com
Subject: Re: [Dysphagia] Textbooks


Ms. Edgar

Sorry.  I agree that the argument over the definition of a tutorial is
miniscule.

As you may remember, my purpose was to obtain information that could be
helpful to beginning students in swallowing.  I really didn't receive
that, except from only a few others who offered information.  I WOULD
APPRECIATE MORE INPUT, IF YOU HAVE ANY!

As an aside, I appreciate Irene's input and wisdom.  (That's why I asked
her the question.)  I don't really appreciate her demeanor, as it tends
to be condescending.

Terry Baggs, Ph.D., CCC-SLP





-----Original Message-----
From: Edgar, Sheri L [mailto:SLEdgar at LancasterGeneral.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:50 AM
To: Irene Campbell-Taylor; TERRY W. BAGGS; dysphagia at b9.com
Subject: RE: [Dysphagia] Textbooks

I am not sure if all of this is necessary.  It gets to be a bit
obnoxious to keep reading adults arguing over something so minuscule
when there are much more meaningful topics to discuss and life altering
questions to be asked.

I hope you both can call a truce and hopefully get back to the business
at hand.

Sheri Edgar, MACCC/SLP
Manager for Speech Pathology
x45369
sledgar at lancastergeneral.org


-----Original Message-----
From: dysphagia-bounces at b9.com [mailto:dysphagia-bounces at b9.com] On
Behalf Of Irene Campbell-Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:30 AM
To: TERRY W. BAGGS; dysphagia at b9.com
Subject: Re: [Dysphagia] Textbooks



"TERRY W. BAGGS" <TBAGGS at astate.edu> wrote:        v\:*
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response that one cannot write tutorials.  I have read numerous
tutorials on a variety of topics through the years.
   
   *** It is unfortunate that the language has become so degraded that
accuracy of meaning is often lost. The definition of "tutorial" is:
  : Instruction given to students individually or in small groups
   Clearly, this cannot be written as it then becomes a text, manual,
monograph etc. etc.
   
   
      
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  From: Irene Campbell-Taylor [mailto:eripley at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:32 PM
To: TERRY W. BAGGS; dysphagia at b9.com
Subject: RE: [Dysphagia] Textbooks

   
  

"TERRY W. BAGGS" <TBAGGS at astate.edu> wrote: 
    Although I disagree with you on your premise that an introductory
course
in swallowing needs no text,

    *** I believe i indicated that textbooks are appropriate only in
undergraduate courses. Since I have never taught undergraduates, i have
no opinion on texts.

     

     I do respect your opinion. I'm assuming
from that answer that you've written no text.

    *** See above - of course not.

That leads me to the second question that you didn't answer. Have you
written any tutorials that would assist students in a thorough and
critical look at the literature?

    *** One cannot write tutorials. One conducts them and I have
conducted hundreds.

     

    Put another way, what is your estimate of the
research base that leads one to "best practices" in swallowing and
swallowing disorders?

    *** There is none apart from a thorough understanding of the seminal
articles.



-----Original Message-----
From: dysphagia-bounces at b9.com [mailto:dysphagia-bounces at b9.com] On
Behalf Of Irene Campbell-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:35 PM
To: dysphagia at b9.com
Subject: [Dysphagia] Textbooks

Before answering the question, I need to clarify it. If one means a
textbook to be used in a Master's course, my answer is, none. Textbooks
do not belong at the graduate level. At that point, one should have
sufficient background in fundamental information and research methods to
study only the literature in a critical manner. The best textbooks
supply only the most basic information and are quickly out of date.
If one means a book from which one can learn the necessary information
to be able to manage dysphagic patients, again, my answer is, none. That
would be analogous to learning to ride a bicycle by reading a manual.

Dr I Campbell-Taylor
Clinical Neuroscientist
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